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♫With a mystical smile I float down the isle Forgetting the time when I was lost ♫
This moment is the perfect teacher = Confirmation which moves one from faith to fact
Efraim Palvanov's class is a perfect blend of science, philosophy, and spirituality.
Father. It was written, Sun Oct 09, 2022 6:07 pm
William. The one speaking the instruction, is represented in many forms throughout the Bible, but considered to being the same VOICE behind those forms - be the form a burning bush, or even the atmospheric form of a disembodied external VOICE, such as when in the garden...YHVH uses what YHVH will, to get the message across...
Jason. Yes, I agree.
William. Okay.
We have both agreed that:
1: We exist within a creation.
2: Simulation Theory is a valid way to interpret the Biblical stories.
If there is any pattern in the overall stories which can give us a definitive answer;
Q: Why did YHVH create this universe and specifically place human beings within it for the purpose of us exploring, breeding and subduing it?
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Note: I understand that there are most likely many conflicting answers, depending upon an individual's beliefs and interpretations of the bible stories and I am not interested in arguing about beliefs and interpretations.
I simply want one's impression or understanding of why one thinks that given the evidence humans have so far uncovered, YHVH does this to Humans.
For example, I have the impression you think that you never existed before you were born and although we have different opinions on that point, I seem to recall you argued that the personality/character you are, never existed prior to this experience you are currently having.
If I understand you correctly here, then we can agree that one of the main purposes for this universe and humans being within it, has to do with the formation of personalities/characters...and in relation to YHVH - these are for the purpose of then having the potential - to interact with YHVH.
What do you say to the above. - Agree? Disagree? Important things to iron out first?
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New abilities from NDE = Central Intelligence = Agency Self-compassion = The Ride
You wrote
Created things (functional forms) are made from physical material.
This is to say that if a Creator-God made the universe, it did so using available material.
It also means that the physical substance used, had to have derived from the Creator-God itself.
I don't know if the Bible contradicts that everything (including the supposed "non-physical" many religious folk believe exist) is made of something.
The way I understand it, "science" is a process of elimination.
In that, if the claim was "The Creator-God is non-physical" then the presumption leads one to a point where the idea that a non-physical Creator-God can influence the Almighty Universe to the point of its current overall form (trillions of Galaxies as far as the eye can see) becomes an absurd concept. Adding to that "just because we do not understand how a non-physical being is able to shape and influence physical stuff, doesn't mean it isn't possible" doesn't help the claim for the supposed non-physical Creator-God actually existing. More to the point, it is simply a "gotcha" which supernaturalism uses against materialism, because physical science "can't touch that."
So the ensuring arguments from both positions become an unresolvable standoff. A stalemate.
Pointless, in other words.
Elimination.
IF
God created the universe out of nothing.
THEN
Something (referred to as "nothing") exists outside of God.
Further to that, this apparent "nothing" is actually physical and can be shaped into functional forms.
If we then argue that the God created the "nothing" which is really "something" and used it to shape forms (other "somethings") from, then we are being silly with our concepts and subsequent labels.
So, it is best to refrain from claiming that "supernatural" actually exists (as anything other than a poorly defined concept) and that the Creator-God is non-physical (supernatural) and develop better concepts which explain/define how a Creator-God can shape matter into functional form.
Father: Why do humans have intuition?
Son. Good question. Perhaps it is evidence of "tapping into" the unknown depths of mind?
Father. You wrote. Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:06 am
“I think that superposition and quantum entanglement are part of the "something" and that they are thought of as strange, has to do with observations of the behavior of things not regarded as strange - whereas - the idea of "everything that exists coming from something which doesn't exist" does fit into "logical absurdity" in that we do not observe anything coming from nothing, nor can we observe 'nothing' in any fundamental manner.
Therefore, I do not see how we should treat these things in a similar fashion.
Even if we accepted that the existence of this universe is a "logical absurdity" - I still don't think we can treat the idea of nothing bringing it into existence as logical or sensible.”
Son. I still agree with what I wrote.
Father. Develop better concepts which explain/define how a Creator-God can shape matter into functional form. = Hacking through the subconscious = Become more expansive.
If the universe did still exist without consciousness, it may as well not. For who would point at it and say "There it is!"?
Son. Stephen Fry reads Nick Cave's stirring letter about ChatGPT and human creativity
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Mother. Functional Clusters
Son. Yes – In Frank Da Silva weekly newsletter from Geeky Weekend Digest | 27.07.2024 their was mention of Elon’s shift in focus to firing up ‘The Most Powerful AI Cluster in the World’
Father. “Who Am I” = Living Magicians = Redefinition Questions
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Son. The viewpoint of the main researcher appears to be of the opinion that this is a sinister creation…
Father. A programmed reality that is not real = To Experience All That Is = Opening ourselves to real love and intimacy = Hyperbole
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“Abracadabra” Re Abusive Expression Of All Types
The evidence supports the idea that Theism is the better position for a human to place themselves. = It isn't important who is who - what is important is what comes through.
Mother.
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Son. Zyanya means: Forever, Always.
Father. One By One
Mother. The Giant Wall between Theists and Atheists
It was written a a female atheist, Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:49 pm
“ I asked my fellow atheists, “Can you be an atheist and also believe in ghosts?”
To my surprise, not only did many of the women believe in ghosts, some had had first-hand paranormal experiences.
I have strong feelings about this topic. Many of you know I have schizoaffective disorder. I was diagnosed at 21 and today live a very normal life thanks to medication. Before treatment, I had visual and auditory hallucinations that I referred to as “ghosts”. I would believe that places were haunted and that people were possessed. It was a whole new world for me when antipsychotic medication stopped my hallucinations.
Today I don’t believe in the paranormal. I think there’s an earthly explanation for everything. I don’t doubt people have experiences; I just think there must be explanations — even if we don’t have that explanation yet.
Also, sometimes I think believing in ghosts is admitting people have souls, and I don’t believe in that either.
So what do you think? Can you believe in the paranormal as an atheist? Do you believe in ghosts? Have you ever had a paranormal experience?”
You replied.
“Clearly from the witness re the words of the poster, she feels that she cannot be an atheist without the meds which help her not to investigate the voices/visions further.
Perhaps the Pirahã can be convinced to take medications and finally convert to atheism?
Or, they could approach it from another direction, as did the women in this video:”
(This allows for the path of theism to continue to be investigated as a valid idea.)
Son. Yes – Elenor Longden’s experience gives us data which is oft overlooked by those struggling to war against theistic-based evidence.
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System of Giving Energy
Message Generating Process
The nature of explanation
The Age of Spiritual Machines
Eleanor Longdens' experience
Mother. The Georgia Guidestones Deceive
Live with Soul Union
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Make It Up as You Go Along
Five interlocking circles
Everything is unique
Live with Soul Union
Accidentally on purpose
The power of humility
Large Simulation Machines
The Nervous System
Brother, where Art Thou?
Word-String Incentive
What moves YHVH to act?
A growing personality.
Father. Dream yoga
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Son. I wrote, Fri Jan 28, 2022 1:00 pm.
If I were to accept your testimony as written, I would also have to accept the testimony of the gospels regarding the resurrection of Jesus.
Rather, what I do is accept such testimony temporarily - in good faith if you will - until more evidence arrives on the table which will shift the faith through fact, whereby we can remove it from the discussion as irrelevant or proceed with if the evidence supports it.
For now, I can agree that morality apparently is a matter of opinion.
I would ask you to consider with me, other opinions on the matter.
Some have argued that we do not require a god in order to have morals - which is to say that no such Cosmic Mind exists as an explanation for why we developed morality.
Since we developed morality from opinion, we can agree that opinion is shaped through circumstance, and since our collective circumstance is one in which we are currently still in the process of getting to know, we are forced to adapt often by changing our opinion to suit said circumstance, because we base our criteria on aligning our opinion with the thing we call reality. The Universe.
So therein it is the universe which is shaping our opinion and thus our morals.
If our universe is really just a chaotic misshapen mindless mess of a thing, we draw a blank on being able to answer the question as to WHY we are using an apparent mindless mess of a thing to shape our opinions and morals and how come we think that is going to solve the hard problems we current face as a specie.
Whereas, if we choose to adopt the notion that there is a Mind to that apparently messed up thing - those questions are answered as follows...
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We shape our opinions and morals through understanding that we are here for that reason.
Not that reason alone, but that reason initially.
We succeed as a permanent specie or we fail as a temporary one, while involved within said "The Universe" depending on how we [each] actually reflect the Universes intentions through our [individual] behavior.
The Universe can only have intention if the Universe also has a Mind.
So we [each] make up our own Mind re that and proceed accordingly.
If I am correct in my [ongoing] calculations, my opinion - shaping my morals - has to be able to know what the Universe's intentions are in regard to itself.
Since I just can't tell by looking at its form, I have to dig deeper.
If there is a Mind to it, then I have to be able to discover it and converse with it and therein, find out for myself.
I have done this [for myself] and proceed with sharing that information with the rest of my connections [our minds here together].
And this has to be done peaceably because everyone at the table has yet to prove that their morality really is "The One", and we should know already by now that Warfare isn't the way to go about it.
If you truly can provide incontrovertible evidence that your opinion that your side is moral and the other immoral is in the correct place, I will examine that evidence and give you a preliminary conclusion.
For now;
From our side, we see two sides fighting, and a species dying...it doesn't look good for those sides and our side offers possible solution...
Mind To Mind.
Father. Perhaps it has something to do with trains of thought?
Opening the Heart
Falling asleep
Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.
In The Light of The Truth
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Confirmation which moves one from faith to fact
The Astonishing Simplicity of Everything
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