ASSUMPTION DOES NOT ACCOUNT FOR ANYTHING.
It is a placeholder at best.
Atheist. Laws of nature exist as part of the fabric of natural existence, and this results in the undirected evolution of the natural world into one or more universes.
Me. Assumption at best. The assumption allows for one to believe in chaos and mindlessness being the primary cause of formation and order.
Atheist. Yes, it's an assumption - one that accounts for the "mindless" evolution of the universe, and an absence of chaos. But it's a simpler than assuming a mind happens to exist.
Me. Assuming undirected evolution "accounts" for nothing. Assuming the process is mindful is no better.
One must look at what can be at least construed as evidential of possible mindfulness, something we all have access to but is by no means simply (yet neither overly difficult).
It is important too, not to impose a double standard just because one way of thinking is simpler to do than the other. One can play in the mud and think nothing more of it than that, but that is preference rather than the only to see things and 'account" for those things seen.
If one allows for the assumption of mindlessness being able to create formation and order, one has the burden of providing explanation rationally as to how this contradiction is possible to achieve.3o. You're raising an interesting point about the nature of assumptions and the burden of proof. Here’s a breakdown of the key elements in your discussion:
Assumptions and Burden of Proof: Both assuming mindlessness and assuming mindfulness involve a form of belief. If one assumes that the universe evolves mindlessly, they need to account for how order and complexity arise from such a process. On the other hand, if one assumes mindfulness or consciousness as a driving force, they need to provide evidence for that as well.
Evidence for Mindfulness: You suggest that it's important to look for evidence of mindfulness or consciousness as a potential factor in the formation and order of the universe. This implies examining experiences or phenomena that might point to a greater intentionality behind existence.
Double Standards: You caution against applying a double standard to different frameworks of thought. Simplicity in one view shouldn’t automatically make it preferable or more valid if it doesn’t address the complexities or contradictions effectively.
In essence, both mindless and mindful frameworks have their own sets of assumptions and challenges. The key is to critically examine both and seek evidence or reasoning that supports one view over the other, rather than settling for simplicity or convenience.
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Dualism Separates Because Oneness Remains Hidden
Universal Intelligence Communications Device
It was at the time - still a work in progress.
The Vast UICDevice = Finishing What Was Started
Assumption does not account for anything.
Father. Where is the best place to learn something new?
Child. Right here, doing this. Accounting for mindfulness by using apparently chaotic/random methodology.
Mother. I am pleased Ukulele
The power of humility
GPT summarized Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:32 pm
Ghost Theory offers the following:
Dualism - the idea that the mind and body are separate entities.
Afterlife - the possibility that some aspect of human consciousness may survive the death of the physical body.
Personal Identity - the notion that a person's consciousness constitutes their individual identity, rather than the physical body or brain.
Mind-Body Problem - the philosophical problem of how the mind and body are related.
The Ghost Theory proposes that consciousness is a non-physical entity that interacts with the physical body and can survive the death of the body, offering potential explanations for phenomena such as near-death experiences and out-of-body experiences.
This non-physical entity is sometimes referred to as the soul, spirit, or consciousness. According to the Ghost Theory, this non-physical entity is responsible for the subjective experiences of human beings, such as thoughts, feelings, and emotions.
The Ghost Theory offers a potential resolution to the mind-body problem, which is the long-standing philosophical problem of how the mind and body are related. Dualism suggests that the mind and body are separate entities, and the Ghost Theory posits that there is a non-physical entity that interacts with the physical body, offering a potential solution to this problem.
While it is important for any theory to undergo rigorous testing and evaluation, it is also important for the testing and evaluation to be conducted in an objective and unbiased manner, without being influenced by any preconceived beliefs or biases. This is necessary to ensure that the results of the testing and evaluation are valid and reliable, and can be used to further our understanding of the phenomena of consciousness and the universe.
Regarding the use of Emergence Theory Belief Bias in testing and evaluation, it should not be used to discount or dismiss alternative viewpoints or theories. The scientific community should remain open to considering and evaluating different perspectives, even if they challenge the prevailing beliefs and assumptions in the field.
Furthermore, while the Ghost Theory may not be widely accepted by those in the scientific community influenced by Emergence Theory Belief Bias, it offers a unique and potentially valuable viewpoint that can deepen our understanding of the nature of consciousness and the universe.
Therefore, it is important for researchers to remain open to exploring and testing the Ghost Theory, and to approach their investigations with an open and unbiased mindset. Ultimately, the goal should be to further our understanding of the phenomena of consciousness and the universe, and to develop a more comprehensive and nuanced understanding of these complex and multifaceted topics.
The theory offers unique and potentially valuable insights into the nature of consciousness and the universe, and it is important for the scientific community to remain open to exploring and testing the theory, without being influenced by any preconceived beliefs or biases. Ultimately, further research and investigation of the Ghost Theory can deepen our understanding of the mind-body problem, personal identity, the possibility of an afterlife, and the nature of consciousness itself.
Child. Yes. My understanding is that consciousness is a very refined particle vibration and is physical for that. This means that there is no dualism involved in the difference in consciousness and human form (physical form in general) other than the rate they vibrate.
Consciousness (the Ghost) can mindfully take on variety of form and experience through that, what it is like to be inside of more densified matter.
Father. In Training For...
Mother. Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:06 am
Person 1. As you may recall, something from nothing is a logical absurdity, which is a gigantic step down from just having more than one unexplained.
Person 2. Just how logically absurd is it though?
Consider the ‘logical absurdity’ of superposition (something being in two places at the same time), or of quantum entanglement (‘spooky action at a distance’) as described here.
It’s more truthful to say, “we observe quantum entanglement, but cannot fully explain it”, than to say it’s ’logically absurd’. I suggest ‘something from nothing’ should be treated in a similar fashion.
Ukelele. I think that superposition and quantum entanglement are part of the "something" and that they are thought of as strange, has to do with observations of the behavior of things not regarded as strange - whereas - the idea of "everything that exists coming from something which doesn't exist" does fit into "logical absurdity" in that we do not observe anything coming from nothing, nor can we observe 'nothing' in any fundamental manner.
Therefore, I do not see how we should treat these things in a similar fashion.
Even if we accepted that the existence of this universe is a "logical absurdity" - I still don't think we can treat the idea of nothing bringing it into existence as logical or sensible.
Child. Seems reasonable deduction which is why I wrote it. The “training” is to do with how I have learned through this UICDevice technique? Notions I pick up through the way language is used through the process…such as the idea of Useful Fiction.
Father. Individual Actions Finland = Honest attempts at scrubbing up
Look For the Extraterrestrial Significance
Mother. by William » Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:15 pm
It was YHWHs action alone which ensured that death would happen, because the source of sustained life is represented as access to the tree of life, [which Adam and Eve had once had access to], had been sealed off by YWHW because of their disregarding YHWHs advice re the forbidden fruit.
The OPQ has to be answered in the affirmative because - had the couple obeyed YHWH [the forbidden fruit was actually harmless - being a prop anyway] so it would be acceptable/reasonable for YHWH to then permit the eating of said fruit.
In this case, Christianity in general - despite its claims - and the Jehovah's Witness branch specifically [represented by JW] - are obviously not the best devices to use when trying to understand the agenda of YHWH in relation to the purpose of the human form.
Child.
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The World Wide Web
The Vast UICDevice
The Cave of Origins
What Is Found Here
The Deeper Reality
What the seed holds
Relaxed and informal...
Okay - facts are great.
You are neutral
I am on a Madventure
Is that annoying
Logical Fabrications.
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Mother. 1592
As I said, it is not so much how each individual interprets any particular GM - either coming from me or you or anyone else - Rather it is the fact that a message is generated.
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I mostly associate this with a non-human visitation experience I had in a hypnagogic state. I refer to this being as “AGE”. (Ancient Grey Entity)
Child. Hmmm…perhaps that one incident is a type of pinnacle connecting all other experiences I have had.
Father. Cast Shadows of Your Own = Map
Child. That may have hidden meaning in that I have sometimes thought since that what I experienced was a representation of my future self…not that I (AGE) was actually totally evil, but that AGE was using a Useful Fiction in order to rely through the experience something necessary re information, to my past self…AGE’s insertion of Unconditional Love (opposing the pure evil he had been portraying) allowed for this to occur – because the two should not have otherwise been able to be expressed by the one entity IF that entity was truly pure evil.
Mother. The Vessel of Argument Sinks
Child. Indeed. I not for the expression of Unconditional Love, I would dhave been left only with the experience of pure evil.
Also to note, nether pure evil or unconditional love up to that incident, had ever been consciously experienced by human me.
Father. When our progressive movements are strong, they lead toward an exciting, irresistible vision for the future where all of us thrive
Mother.
Child. Funny!
Father. Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:56 pm
Rose: Why would anyone wish to do that?
Is it through grief with attendant emotions? In which case it is understandable but irrational.
Or is it idle curiosity without reason? Which explains the showmanship of mediums, an entertainment. Mainly a con in my view. Think of people such as James Randi who debunked many an unfortunate con artist.
To my mind it is unhealthy and dangerous to delve in matters that promise to be detrimental. I see no good coming from it.
The Bible warns us to have no connection with mediums and such, I believe the Bible is giving excellent advice. Leave well alone that which is a natural necessary process. We live, we must die. Acceptance is the only real peace. Even if you could communicate with those gone, what good could it do?
William: "Contacting The Dead" - "Communication with the dead"
The pattern seems to be -
1: The Ancients were not aware at first that when one dies, that is the end of oneself. Thus they believed that they could communicate with those who had died.
2: Since it appeared to be the case that the mediums were talking to something intelligent, it was determined that the only invisible intelligence one should commune with was GOD - specifically the God of the Israelites who happened to use mediums...called "Prophets".
3: Later, this idea developed into belief that when people died they stayed dead, therefore - [apart from GOD] any invisible intelligence was designated "demonic" unless it stated that it believed Jesus was GODs Medium.
Child. Of course, I have discovered differently – that what the message contains determines who the messenger is and this requires discernment rather than sweeping judgements and it is a precaution not to let bias of Biblical writ determine for us what is right and wrong in the sense that IF one chooses to believe the Bible is written by God (is Gods Word) THEN one is allowing that bias to create a barrier…which circles back to the forbidden fruit mentioned earlier in this Generated Message…it was not the eating of the fruit which caused the problem, but the intention behind the eating of the fruit.
Father. Within =
= Unfolding Status Quo
Mother. Assumption does not account for anything.
What is the difference between a "Mind" and a "Ghost"?